Nate & Ben discuss A CHALLENGE, the recent Cardinals success, the return of Willson, feeling okay about the Cardinals, feeling uneasy still, the trade deadline, the mysterious entity known as Tommy Edman, Matz' setback, Nootbaars return and what it means for the team, winning games, the trade deadline, and much more!  Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.