This week we're going HOST TO HOST as Gerry is  joined by fellow wildlife podcaster Jack Baker. Jack is creator and host of Pangolin: The Conservation Podcast  which features over 100 episodes highlighting pioneering conservationists at the forefront of wildlife protection. Pangolins are Jack's starting point for celebrating under-appreciated species and conservation stories – no matter how small, strange, or unexpected!   Tune in to hear Jack tell us about his undying passion for the natural world and why he thinks zoos are a positive tool in conservation. Learn how he went about creating a podcast with a positive outlook in the middle of a pandemic, and find out why he hugged a cactus in Arizona.  Check out Jack's wonderful podcast via the links below:  Listen here: https://linktr.ee/pangolinpodcast  Twitter: https://twitter.com/pangolinpodcast  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pangolinpodcast/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PangolinPodcast/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pangolinpodcast/  Opening Music: Savannah (Sketch) by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/4323-savannah-sketch- License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.org Instagram: @talkingapes_podcast Twitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.