Decades of losing. Losing forest habitat, losing primate populations, and losing in our efforts to educate politicians, the public, and policy-makers.  Most critically, we are losing great apes by the thousands each year. On Giving Day for Apes we talk with PASA's new director, Kelly O'Meara, about how PASA's 23 member primate sanctuaries across Africa are much more than caring arms for the victims of the illegal wildlife trade.  While the sanctuaries are faced with the responsibility of providing lifelong care to the floods of baby chimps, gorillas, and bonobos that show up at their gates, they are also key stakeholders in the conservation conversation - owed to their unique positioning amidst the local surroundings, communities, and cultures.  Kelly tells us how PASA acts as a representative for its members and as a voice that raises their importance in protecting not only the individuals in their care but the wild populations beyond their walls too.  Visit PASA.org to learn more.  givingdayforapes.org #givingdayforapes  Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Learn more: Official website: talkingapes.org Instagram: @talkingapes_podcast Twitter: @talking_apes Support our work by making a small donation here, or for access to exclusive content and rewards, click here to become a Patreon member. Thanks for listening!