"Twelve years ago I heard a phrase that changed my life. I was sitting at a campfire in central Africa and heard, 'thirteen dead gorillas'.  I didn't know it at the time, but that phrase was launching me on a long quest to understand the ecology and evolutionary biology of scary viruses." Join us this week on Talking Apes when we talk to science author David Quammen about his years long mission to understand zoonoses - diseases that pass between humans and animals. David's books, SPILLOVER and The Chimp and the River, investigate the origins of human pandemics like AIDS, Ebola, Marburg, Bird Flu, and Covid 19; how and why they emerge, and where they hide between outbreaks.  Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.org Instagram: @talkingapes_podcast Twitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.