Is AGI just a really dumb idea? Is the concept essentially meaningless? And are we entirely barking up the wrong tree? In this episode of TechFirst, host John Koetsier interviews Neil Lawrence, the DeepMind Professor of Machine Learning at the University of Cambridge and senior Fellow at the Alan Turing Institute about his latest book 'The Atomic Human: What Makes Us Unique in the Age of AI.' Lawrence explores the complexities of human intelligence, the misconceptions around artificial general intelligence (AGI), and the implications of large language models (LLMs) like ChatGPT. He also discusses the limitations and strengths of human decision-making, the potential risks of AI, and the importance of preserving human culture and diversity in intelligence. The conversation delves into the role of AI in enhancing human capabilities, the challenges in deploying AI in sensitive areas, and the necessity for regulatory interventions to maintain a balanced technological ecosystem. 00:00 Introduction 00:40 Meet Neil Lawrence: AI Expert 01:19 The Atomic Human: Book Insights 02:26 Philosophical Perspectives on AI 04:16 Neil Lawrence's Journey into AI 05:45 Current State of AI and AGI 08:06 The Complexity of Intelligence 18:31 Corporate Culture and Innovation 20:00 The Impact of Large Language Models 23:18 Exploring AI as an Interface 28:53 The Evolution of Internet Search 29:57 Human Flaws as Strengths 31:06 Collective Intelligence and Decision Making 33:16 AI and the River Gods 35:21 The Complexity of Culture and Technology 40:49 Regulating AI and Digital Markets 52:31 The Role of Teachers and Human Connection 55:17 Concluding Thoughts and Optimism