Summary The conversation begins with a discussion about a band of horses concert and the experience of seeing a favorite band live. The hosts then transition to talking about the TV series 'How Music Got Free,' which explores the transition from CD sales to digital music and the rise of piracy. They discuss the mechanics of music piracy, the impact on artists and record labels, and the response from the RIAA. The conversation also touches on the nostalgia of downloading MP3s and the technological limitations of the time. The conversation explores the rise of music piracy in the early 2000s and its impact on the music industry. It delves into the underground world of release groups and the technology that facilitated the sharing of pirated music. The conversation also discusses the ethical code within these groups and the motivations behind their actions. It highlights the challenges faced by record labels and artists in adapting to the changing landscape of music consumption. The conversation concludes with reflections on the storytelling style of the documentary series and the inevitability of disruption in various industries. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Band of Horses Concert 03:12 Transition to Digital Music and Rise of Piracy 05:58 Impact of Piracy on Artists and Record Labels 08:55 Ineffectiveness of the RIAA's Response to Piracy 12:09 Nostalgia of Downloading MP3s and Technological Limitations 34:47 The Ethical Code and Motivations of Music Pirates 39:49 Challenges Faced by Record Labels and Artists 48:19 The Evolution of Music Consumption and the Role of Streaming 58:58 Reflections on the Storytelling Style of the Documentary Series