Summary In this conversation, Craig and Andrew discuss their recent experiences with running a half marathon and their music playlists. They also touch on the upcoming Smashing Pumpkins album and the challenges of creating new music while staying true to their sound. They compare this to other bands like Pearl Jam and Los Campesinos who have successfully evolved their sound while still maintaining their core elements. In this conversation, Craig and Andrew discuss the band Los Campesinos and their latest album, as well as their love for music critic Ian Cohen. They also talk about their hopes for the upcoming Smashing Pumpkins album and their frustrations with Billy Corgan's past decisions. The conversation then shifts to the topic of aging musicians and the experience of seeing older artists perform live. Overall, they express their love for music and their excitement for new releases. Takeaways Running a half marathon can be a challenging but rewarding experience, and having a carefully curated music playlist can help keep you motivated. The upcoming Smashing Pumpkins album, 'Agorimori May,' is expected to be a return to their earlier sound and may capture the essence of their iconic album 'Siamese Dream.' Billy Corgan's previous album, 'Adam,' was criticized for its sprawling length and lack of cohesion, but he seems to be acknowledging the need to balance his artistic vision with the expectations of his fans. Other bands like Pearl Jam and Los Campesinos have successfully evolved their sound while still incorporating elements that resonate with their fanbase. The sound quality of music streaming services like Spotify is an important factor for many listeners, and the upcoming high-quality version of Spotify is highly anticipated. Los Campesinos' latest album, 'All Hell', received positive reviews and is considered an essential record for fans of the band. Ian Cohen's reviews on Pitchfork are highly regarded and provide a better understanding of Los Campesinos' music. Fans have different favorite albums from Los Campesinos' discography, but 'Romance is Boring', 'No Blues', and 'Six Scenes' are often praised. There is hope that the upcoming Smashing Pumpkins album will capture the essence of their earlier work while still offering something new. Billy Corgan's decision to disavow the album 'Zeitgeist' and make it unavailable for streaming is seen as petulant and frustrating for fans. Despite some skepticism, there is admiration for aging musicians like Frankie Valli, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Mick Jagger who continue to perform and entertain audiences. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Running a Half Marathon 06:31 Andrew's Half Marathon Experience 10:42 Music Playlist Strategy 19:18 The Smashing Pumpkins' New Album 29:41 Billy Corgan's Return to Form 32:13 The Challenges of Creating New Music 35:06 Evolution of Sound: Pearl Jam and Los Campesinos 39:25 The Importance of Fan Support 41:08 Hopes and Frustrations for the Smashing Pumpkins Album 56:04 The Experience of Seeing Aging Musicians Perform Live