The one and only Sue Sternberg is on the show today so y'all might want to take a seat, grab a cocktail or a hot tea, and sink in. Get ready for a very honest talk from a renowned behaviorist with 30+ years of experience working with dogs and a keen ability to look at all sides of complicated situations. Sue is able to hold space for what is difficult or heartbreaking or even downright dangerous, and she doesn't shy away from the truth. As you know, Katya and Jenny are major shelter dog people so this discussion was like catnip for them. It brought them front and center to many of the controversies within  animal rescue, temperament testing, and the 3 general categories we can think about when we're assessing dogs. Sue shares her data, her experiences, and how she got into this line of work, and she explains why she thinks society’s definition of “good dogs” has changed over the last few decades. From nature versus nurture to why some people who work in animal shelters avoid assessing dogs overall to the polarizing decisions around euthanasia, this is an incredibly eye-opening episode for animal lovers and dog parents everywhere. If you’ve ever wanted a close up and highly informative look at rescue dogs and behavior, this episode is for you. If you've ever wanted to hear a cutting edge dog trainer who isn't afraid to challenge and debate others as well as her own ideology, then Sue is somebody you might want to know. Jenny and Katya sure are glad they do. (Yeah, if you've ever wanted to hear two co-hosts fan girl hard then definitely tune in.) Join The Animal That Changed You community on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook -- we're waiting to welcome you! Feel free to check out the website while you're at it. Please leave a rating or review of the show. Your support matters so much! Woof, meow, oink, moo, cheep (of course, you know that means thanks for listening. Produced by Adode Media; a full-service podcast production agency.