In this episode, Kelly and Ashley explore the concept of de-schooling and how traditional schooling has affected individuals as adults. They discuss the origins of schooling and the ideologies behind it, highlighting the influence of wealthy white men in history and now the affluence of the elite industrialists in how we are educated. The conversation delves into the arbitrary nature of educational standards and the need to question the current school system. The hosts recommend books that provide insights into de-schooling and the flaws of traditional education. Overall, it encourages parents to take back power and trust themselves in choosing home education.   Keywords: de-schooling, traditional schooling, education, home education, curriculum, ideologies, outdoor play, educational standards, school system, origins, history, industrial leaders, government policies, limitations, frustrations, academics, practical skills, flexibility, alternative approaches, education otherwise. 00:00 Introduction to De-schooling 09:49 Questioning Educational Standards 29:30 Limitations and Frustrations of the Current Education System 36:55 The Impact of the School System on Thinking and Behaviour 44:48 Taking Back Power: Choosing Alternative Approaches to Education