Chase and Fat Pat explore the often-complex landscape of change management. Change within an organization requires more than just fresh ideas; it demands a well-executed plan and consistent momentum. Decision-makers must be resilient and somewhat shielded from daily challenges, allowing them to focus on long-term goals rather than immediate hurdles. This "immunity" to the daily grind is key to sustaining momentum and reaching successful outcomes, even when facing resistance. How can leaders create the right conditions to stay focused and maintain momentum during challenging times? The duo delves into first-order thinking, a strategy that strips problems down to their basic elements, enabling organizations to innovate by building solutions from the ground up. This approach results in truly effective and impactful change rather than simply repurposing old solutions. Chase shares how Go-Forth used this approach to design a unique, customer-focused program tailored specifically to client needs. In Chase’s view, first-order thinking is essential for identifying fresh, effective strategies that align with long-term objectives. How might organizations cultivate a culture that encourages this level of foundational, creative thinking? Chase brings up his perspective on employee turnover. While turnover is often seen as a negative, he explained that it can serve as a natural part of organizational growth, especially when underperformers are replaced by top talent. Embracing turnover as an opportunity to strengthen the team and foster resilience can make change feel less disruptive and more like a constructive evolution. For Chase, fostering a culture that adapts to change, rather than resisting it, enables organizations to thrive despite disruptions. How can companies reframe turnover as a positive force, and what steps can they take to make the transition smoother? Audio mixing and editing by www.verbell.ltd.