Paul Holden - an author with over 15 years experience in exposing corruption, with five bestselling books on South African and global politics - joins Phumi and Rams Mabote to talk about his new book, ‘Zondo at your Fingertips’. The team do a deep dive into the current state of the Zondo Commission, possible outcomes and speed bumps in the way at present. Phumi picks Rams’ brain for his perspective.