Bill Chen returns to The Business Brew to explore the current landscape of Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs). Delve into Chen's comprehensive due diligence process, investment strategies, and the future of multifamily and office REITs. Discover key insights on market conditions, cap rates, capital allocation, and the impact of interest rates on investment returns. The discussion also highlights strategic decisions by large-cap public REITs, dealing with distressed assets, and the potential risks and opportunities in today's real estate market. A must-watch for anyone looking to understand the intricacies of real estate investing in uncertain times. Note: This episode was recorded on July 9, 2024. 00:00 - Welcome to The Business Brew 00:05 - Introducing Bill Chen and REITs Discussion 00:35 - A Walk-Through Manhattan with Bill Chen 03:28 - The Future of Office Spaces 09:48 - Bank Balance Sheets and Office Exposure 19:24 - Analyzing REIT Investments 38:12 - Analyzing Cap Rates in Real Estate Investments 41:45 - The Impact of Public Company Costs on Returns 49:30 - Liquidity and Market Dynamics in Real Estate 53:11 - Challenges and Opportunities in the Current Market 1:00:10 - Grocery-Anchored Shopping Centers: A Resilient Asset Class 1:06:17 - Interest Rates and Their Influence on Real Estate Returns 1:15:02 - Understanding Real Estate Multiples and Leverage 1:15:41 - Market Fears and Multifamily Capitalization Rates 1:16:32 - Challenges in Real Estate Development 1:16:56 - Opportunities in a Down Market 1:17:20 - Connecting with the Speaker 1:18:25 - Investment Strategies and Market Timing 1:19:51 - Balancing Market Humility and Aggression 1:21:23 - Psychological Approaches to Real Estate Investment 1:23:24 - Resilience of Multifamily Assets 1:24:48 - The Future of Home Ownership and Renting 1:27:54 - Personal Experiences with Real Estate 1:30:56 - The REIT Mafia and Investment Benchmarks 1:35:16 - Long-Term Investment Perspectives 1:42:22 - Final Thoughts and Farewell