We discuss the future of motoring in the back seat of a Jaguar I-Pace while it's being self-driven by Waymo's computers around San Francisco. === This episode is sponsored by Vyper Industrial — America’s #1 rated shop chair, tool carts, and creepers, proudly made here in the US. Go to https://www.vyperindustrial.com/ and use code HAGERTY for $50 off on all your order! Click here to join the Hagerty Driver's Club: https://bit.ly/Join-HDC-Cammisa-Rev === The End Must Be Nigh — because Jason Cammisa convinced the ultimate self-driving car-hating Carmudgeon, Derek Tam-Scott, to ride along in the back of a Waymo on an hour-long city adventure. And even Derek had to admit... We're getting ahead of ourselves. There's discussion about: Who Is Waymo? How is Waymo different than other autonomous brands like Cruise or Uber? How do you hail a Waymo cab? ...and important journalistic endeavors like: What happens if a minivan cuts you off and ABS'es to a stop in front of you? Jason's Van, Jynah, wanted to know. So we found out. The other question: to what standard should we hold self-driving taxis? Should they follow all rules? Should they prioritize safety and smoothness (like Jason suggests) or do whatever possible to minimize commute time, even at the risk of making passengers sick (like Derek wants?) It's an amusing, intelligent real-time discussion on the future of self-driving cars. And no, Waymo is nothing like Tesla Autopilot or any other current car's self-driving system. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices