In this episode, Cammi Climaco and Camille Beckles get into time management, slow time, studio practices and moving lines up and down the pots.

In this episode, Cammi and Kartini talk about Kartini's work, working in France, her new residency program and how one beer changed her life.

This episode covers all kinds of topics about making, abstraction and figuration, and the importance of knowing where all our materials come from.