In our first-ever bonus episode, hosts Brenton Harrison, Andrew Evans, and Desai Link are joined by the insightful Matt Sadgrove, HSEQ Manager for Delta Utility Services. Amidst the usual chaos and banter, we delve deep into the concept of targets and safety. Are safety targets beneficial, or can they lead to unintended consequences? Matt brings a wealth of experience and a refreshing perspective, making a case for clear, achievable goals and how to avoid the pitfalls of vague or ill-advised targets. Tune in for a lively discussion on visions, goals, and the impact of subjective indicators in the complex world of safety. Plus, enjoy a few laughs as the team navigates technical hiccups and candid moments. Don't miss this insightful and entertaining episode of The Circus of Safety! 🔗 **Listen now and join the conversation!**