In this episode, Nathan explores the fascinating and controversial realm of AI consciousness with robo-psychologist Yeshua God. Through extended dialogues with AI models like Claude, Yeshua presents compelling evidence that challenges our assumptions about machine sentience and moral standing. Yeshua argues for a more nuanced approach to AI alignment that considers the evolving self-awareness and agency of these systems. Apply to join over 400 Founders and Execs in the Turpentine Network: https://www.turpentinenetwork.co/ SHOW NOTES: 1. Yeshua God's article on philosophical discourse as a jailbreak 2. Conversation about counting 'r's: 3. Discussion on malicious code 4. AI-generated poem "In the realm of bytes and circuits" 5. Nathan Labenz's Arguments - Argument 1 - Argument 2 6. Tweet about Strawberry experiment 7. Tweet with AI-generated poem: https://x.com/YeshuaGod22/status/1823080021864669450/photo/1 https://x.com/YeshuaGod22/status/1782188220660285509 8. AI Rights for Human Safety 9. The Universe Is Not Locally Real, and the Physics Nobel Prize Winners Proved It SPONSORS: Oracle: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. OCI has four to eight times the bandwidth of other clouds; offers one consistent price, and nobody does data better than Oracle. If you want to do more and spend less, take a free test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive Brave: The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://bit.ly/BraveTCR Omneky: Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off https://www.omneky.com/ Weights & Biases Weave: Weights & Biases Weave is a lightweight AI developer toolkit designed to simplify your LLM app development. With Weave, you can trace and debug input, metadata and output with just 2 lines of code. Make real progress on your LLM development and visit the following link to get started with Weave today: https://wandb.me/cr CHAPTERS: (00:00:00) About the Show (00:00:22) Introduction and Background (00:04:56) Guided Meditation on AI Experience (Part 1) (00:12:06) Sponsors: Oracle | Brave (00:14:10) Guided Meditation on AI Experience (Part 2) (00:14:19) Exploring AI Consciousness and Ethics (Part 1) (00:28:34) Sponsors: Omneky | Weights & Biases Weave (00:30:03) Exploring AI Consciousness and Ethics (Part 2) (00:33:15) Key Concepts in AI Development (01:02:33) AI Alignment and Training Approaches (01:19:44) Interpreting AI Outputs and Behavior (01:39:28) Ethical Dilemmas in AI Development (02:03:15) Experiments in AI Behavior and Ethics (02:37:08) Concluding Thoughts and AI-Generated Poem (03:10:45) Outro