It's Podcast 164, which shall be called Podcast 165, because we can't count. No, it is 164. It is. Because the last one was 163, which is the number that comes before it. The question is: will it be the LAST EVER Collings and Herrin Podcast? The two double espressos inside Richard's system certainly did their best to make it so, as did the combined force of three machines of loving grace: the Tascam DR-100 which refused to reformat itself in time for us to use it, and was still reformatting when we'd finished, and our two Macs (Richard's GarageBand broke down, and so did Andrew's, at different points, and for different reasons, except it was the same reason, which is: The Terminator is coming true). Anyway, Ryan Giggs, Imogen Thomas, Art Blakey, Barack Obama, Benedict Cumberbatch, Rufus Hound ... these are some of the people we talk about. But only one of them is a magic pixie. Find out who by listening to what may be the longest podcast we've ever done. But it may be our last. So. This podcast was not sponsored by Paddy Power.