Howdy, y’all, and welcome to The Cyber Ranch Podcast! Our guest this week is John Checco, aka "Checco", who is overdue for being on the show we freely admit!  John is a presence on LinkedIn and in our industry.  He’s the author of “Zero Trust: From Aspirational to Overdue”.  He’s also involved, as you can imagine, in many other things – various advisory roles, ISSA roles, Infraguard roles…  He’s been resident CISO at Proofpoint, for example.  He’s also a fire instructor!  But we asked John to the show specifically to talk about what he calls “The Misfits of Zero Trust”.  John, thank you so much for coming on down to the ‘Ranch! Questions Allan asks John: Without revealing any secrets, what was your experience investigating the Zero Trust model for such a large organization? What are the misfits of Zero Trust? What’s are some examples of what you have dubbed as “2nd world affectations”? What’s are some examples of what you call “3rd world affectations”? Where do we go from here? Where would you suggest highest priorities? Is Zero Trust here to stay? What comes next? Thank you, listeners, for dropping by the 'Ranch!  Y'all be good now!