Jordan Klepper sits with John Heilemann, chief political columnist at Puck and host of the “Impolitic” podcast, to discuss his time in the media spin room during the Trump-Harris debate, why he thinks Kamala Harris won, and whether or not the debate moved undecided voters. Also, historian and best-selling author Yuval Noah Harari chats about his latest book, “Nexus: A Brief History of Information Networks From the Stone Age to AI,” how people absorb an overflow of information, and why there’s still hope in bureaucracy.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.