This Sunday, hundreds of thousands of parents will drop off their children at the children's ministry of a church. And hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours will have been spent in preparation, but is the ministry safe? And is it effective? We're going to be talking with Deepak Reju about two of his very helpful books. In the first part of the interview, we will talk about the, his book Build on Jesus: A Comprehensive Guide for Gospel Based Children's Ministry. In the second half of our conversation, we talk about a second book On Guard: Preventing and Responding to Child Abuse in the Church. We talk about why we should be on guard and what parents and church leaders can do. Whether you're a pastor, a parent, a children's minister, or a volunteer, you will find the conversation with Deepak helpful