In Episode 4 of The Diversity Gap Podcast, Bethaney has a discussion with Karen Fleshman, founder of Racy Conversations. In this episode, they dive into what it has looked like for Karen, a white woman, to find her place in diversity and equity work. They also talk about the importance or raising the next antiracist generation and what it takes to cultivate cross-racial sisterhood. Karen Fleshman, Esq. is an attorney, activist, single soccer mom, and a nationally recognized expert on racism, feminism, workplace fair practices, police brutality, and politics. Racy Conversations' mission is to inspire the first antiracist generation. In workplaces, Racy Conversations change culture by creating a brave space to address unconscious bias, microaggressions, sexual harassment, and allyship. Organizations including the Sierra Club, the Wikimedia Foundation, Yahoo, Sony, Xero, Upwork, KARGO, Pixar, and the Fred Hutch Cancer Center have hired Karen to assess their culture and facilitate Racy Conversations.