In this episode Dr Jessica Ronaasen engages with Tshepo Mantjé, the Right to ECD Coordinator from the Equality Collective, to discuss advocacy efforts in the realm of early childhood development (ECD). Tshepo outlines the mission of the Real Reform for ECD movement, which aims to ensure comprehensive, well-funded, inclusive, and high-quality ECD services in South Africa. The focus of their conversation centres on the recent national advocacy campaign concerning the right to nutrition for children in ECD centres. Tshepo elucidates the challenges faced by ECD practitioners in providing adequate nutrition due to limited resources, despite government subsidies. The campaign, driven by evidence-based research, seeks to address this issue by advocating for increased support from the state and exploring creative solutions within communities, such as community vegetable gardens and partnerships with grocery stores. The discussion also touches upon the shift in custodianship of ECD centres to the Department of Basic Education, signalling an opportunity for national-level advocacy. Tshepo emphasizes the importance of collaboration and community involvement in advocacy efforts, inviting listeners to join the cause through various campaigns and initiatives outlined on the Real Reform for ECD website. Throughout the episode, Jess and Tshepo inject a sense of playfulness, incorporating light-hearted check-ins and even pondering signature dance moves. Despite the serious subject matter, the conversation maintains an engaging and accessible tone, encouraging listeners to take action and make a difference in the lives of children in South Africa's ECD sector.