As the prospect of a long war in Ukraine looms, host Anne McElvoy asks national security expert Philip Bobbitt how to define victory in 21st-century warfare. They assess the war on terror, as the one-year anniversary of America’s withdrawal from Afghanistan approaches. And, the author of “The Shield of Achilles” shares memories of his uncle, President Lyndon Johnson, and describes what it's like to be inside Washington’s war rooms. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.