Following US Climate Envoy John Kerry's latest remarks on overpopulation, Bertie spoke to Diana Ojeda, Associate Professor in sustainability, environment and development at the Universidad de los Andes' Interdisciplinary Center for Development Studies, about why many scholars and activists are wary of populationist narratives in climate planning. Audio editing by Vasko Kostovski. Further reading:  'A feminist exploration of ‘populationism’: engaging contemporary forms of population control''Confronting populationism: Feminist challenges to population control in an era of climate change''Malthus’s specter and the anthropocene'Anne Hendrixson and Diana Ojeda's article on population for Uneven Earth Betsy Hartmann’s webpage PopDev’s short documents series'For reproductive justice in an era of Gates and Modi – the violence of India’s population policies' by Kalpana Wilson Libby Lunstrum’s work'Angry Young Men, Veiled Young Women: Constructing a New Population Threat' by Anne Hendrixson Jade Sasser’s workClick here to visit The Negative Emissions Gamble, our curated collection of articles and podcasts on carbon removal. Find more podcasts and articles at www.landclimate.org