Max and Otto discuss the recent reforms of the EU’s Stability and Growth Pact and what it portends for the European Union in 2024. Then, Max is joined by Jim Townsend, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (DASD) for European and NATO Policy and current adjunct senior fellow in the Transatlantic Security Program with the Center for a New American Security, for a conversation about European defense and next year’s NATO summit in Washington, DC.    Learn more:   Russian Roulette | CSIS Podcasts  Why the Washington Summit Should Focus on Europe