Max and Donatienne discuss the recent Franco-German spat on Ukraine and the direction of European defense before turning to the EU’s new defense industrial strategy. Then, Max talks to Ambassador Charles Fries, Deputy Secretary General for Peace, Security and Defense at the European External Action Service (EEAS), about the EU’s role as a defense actor.  Learn more:   Russian Roulette | CSIS Podcasts  The European Union Charts Its Own Path for European Rearmament