Doc welcomes former The Dillinger Escape Plan guitarist/founder and current Suicidal Tendencies guitarist, Ben Weinman, back to the show to talk about Ben's new Soundfly educational course on the business of independent art, how his experience with Dillinger gave him a foundation of knowledge, and how he has balanced a family life, music, and touring career, and his entrepreneurial pursuits. This episode features the song "Crocodile Tears" by Earth Burial and "Mullet Burden" by The Dillinger Escape Plan. Follow Ben on Instagram @BenWeinman and Twitter @dillingerescpln Follow Doc on Instagram and Twitter @DocCoyle Please support our sponsor Earth Burial at earthburialmusic.com  Listen to more great podcasts like this at soundtalentmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices