Tamay Besiroglu joins the podcast to discuss scaling, AI capabilities in 2030, breakthroughs in AI agents and planning, automating work, the uncertainties of investing in AI, and scaling laws for inference-time compute. Here's the report we discuss in the episode:   https://epochai.org/blog/can-ai-scaling-continue-through-2030   Timestamps:  00:00 How important is scaling?   08:03 How capable will AIs be in 2030?   18:33 AI agents, reasoning, and planning  23:39 Automating coding and mathematics   31:26 Uncertainty about investing in AI  40:34 Gap between investment and returns   45:30 Compute, software and data  51:54 Inference-time compute  01:08:49 Returns to software R&D   01:19:22 Limits to expanding compute