On this week's episode Gar talks with David Higgins, former CISO for Kiwibank. In this conversation, David takes us through what AI and ChatGPT mean for cyber, providing a clear understanding of what it is and what it isn’t. He also provides insights into what it means for both the attackers and protectors, as well as what is hype, what is real and where does it lead us. To wrap the episode, we cover a topic that is very important to David, people.