In this week's episode, Avi and Matt Talk with Heroic Labs CEO Chris Molozian and the Head of Developer Relations at Heroic Labs, Gabriel Pene.    Heroic labs did not start as an #opensource company but moved to #opensource later in the company's lifecycle.  Learn about some of the reasons why they made the switch, how they are currently using open source, and how open source has become critical to their product strategy.  We discuss how they measure success in the open source space and what surprises they faced along the way.