On this episode of the Humans of DevOps, Jason Baum is joined by Eric Arellano and Nick Grisafi. They discuss the "curse of knowledge" and how to overcome it, the Pantsbuild project, pigs and more! Topics discussed: The curse of knowledge concept. Is it a good thing or bad? Examples of the curse of knowledge How does it impact the software development process? How do you apply the Buddhist concept of a beginner’s mind to help overcome the curse of knowledge? Thanks to our episode sponsor Kolide! Voted Best 25 DevOps Podcasts by Feedspot Eric Arellano (they/them), software engineer, Toolchain Labs @EArellanoAZ Eric Arellano is a software engineer focused on empowering developers to build at scale through the open source Pantsbuild project. Eric is also a volunteer crisis counselor for LGBTQ youth and an aspiring pig parent. Nick Grisafi (he/him), software engineer, Rippling @ngrisafi Nick Grisafi is a Software Engineer with a strong passion for DevOps and scaling processes with automation. On the side, you may find Nick exploring the great outdoors with his dog or tinkering with DIY projects. Want access to more content like this? Gain the tools, resources and knowledge to help your organization adapt and respond to challenges by becoming a professional member of DevOps Institute. Engage in one of the fastest-growing DevOps communities today! Get started for free: https://www.devopsinstitute.com/membership/ Have questions, feedback or just want to chat? Send us an email at [email protected]