Dylan Hartley is a New Zealand-born English former rugby union player. Hartley was the captain of England from January 2016 until the end of his international career in 2018. He is England's most capped hooker of all time, earning his first cap in 2008. Dylan and I talk about the importance of leadership, the highs and lows that come with top flight sport, and life after the rugby field. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.