Joe and Reverend Al discuss the dramatic conclusion of Ahmaud Arbery’s case, the Rev’s journey from rabble rouser to racial reconciliation, how Joe and Al’s close friendship grew out of a political fight, and why the Rev pushes back on what he calls “latte liberals”. 

Joe talks to Pulitzer Prize-winning author Thomas Ricks on the brilliance of George Washington, the hypocrisy of the slaveholder whose Declaration freed more humans than any figure in history, how James Madison saved America from the illiberalism of Donald Trump, why General Sherman was the...