Gabe and River are as normal as two regular guys. Was puberty traumatic for everyone? River answers a listener's question about getting misgendered. Then, Florida, the movie Stress Positions, and which Challengers boys we'd be. Author Ben Greene joins the show to talk about his book on creating joy around trans kids, his experience coming out as trans in high school, and then into some deep philosophy about expanding community, crypto-fascism, parental grief, and EVERYTHING. This is a great one. Settle in, make some tea, and enjoy. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands