In Donald Trump's eyes, NFLers who don't stand for the national anthem shouldn't be playing and, maybe, "shouldn't be in the country." But Jeff and Stephen believe it was the league, not the players, who created the current us-against-them climate. They are joined by Mark Leibovich, chief national correspondent for New York Times Magazine and author of Big Game: The NFL in Dangerous Times, to take listeners behind the scenes of NFL ownership and crisis management in Trump's America. Audio Credit: AP, CBC, MSNBC, NBC, NFL, Nike, PBS and RT. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.