I talk to Mark Stavish, Director of the Institute of Hermetic Studies, about the state of magic in 2020. We get into some intriguing discussions about discernment, initiation and actuality versus utopian ideals.. in other words, some pretty challenging topics in what turned out to be a fascinating discussion. Best listened to in headphones...... Visit the Institute of Hermetic Studies at http://hermeticinstitute.org/ where you will find details of its courses and study materials as well as links to Mark's books and other resources. Support this podcast at https://www.patreon.com/gmichaelvasey Follow us on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/GMichaelVaseypodcast Visit me at https://www.garymvasey.com and my blog at www.garymvasey.net. Submit your paranormal experience at https://www.myhauntedlifetoo.com Intro music - It's not right by G. Michael Vasey Outro music - It's my Life by G. Michael Vasey All music and sound effects - G. Michael Vasey Music available at iTunes, Spotify and other music stores. © G. Michael Vasey