Don’t miss our newsletter! Mike hosts Dr. Stacie Pettyjohn to discuss her new report: Evolution Not Revolution, Drone Warfare in Russia’s 2022 Invasion of Ukraine Stacie is a Senior Fellow and Director of the Defense Program at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Her expertise includes defense strategy, posture, force planning, the defense budget, airpower, and wargaming. Her current projects focus on the effect of drones on warfare, munitions stockpiles, and nuclear deterrence in a multipolar world. We talked about drone tech, adaption since the 2022 invasion, innovation on both sides of the conflict, and despite all of that—what critical drone technology is still notably absent on the battlefield. This isn’t just about air drones…we chat drone boats too! For those interested in #military #technology #drones #warfare #russia #ukraine #war #nationalsecurity #defense #nationaldefense ---- Links • Sign up for our ⁠amazing newsletter⁠! • Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠! • Mike Benitez (LinkedIn) • Dr. Stacy Pettyjohn (LinkedIn) • CNAS • Drone report • Girl Security • AI report ---- Follow us on... • ⁠Instagram⁠ • ⁠Facebook⁠ • ⁠X (Twitter)⁠ • ⁠LinkedIn⁠ • ⁠Website⁠ ---- Show Notes (00:41) Intro (03:28) drone report (06:59) 4 bins of drones (08:25) drone changes during the war (10:28) Turkish TB-2 drones (12:02) drones for air superiority? (13:51) drone dogfighting (14:46) the “air littoral” (16:25) coordination altitudes (18:57) evolution in the war (21:16) 50,000 drones per month? (23:37) drones vs. artillery (26:32) wargaming (27:26) battlefield innovations (29:26) why not a revolution? (31:18) where’s the AI? (35:27) drone boats (39:10) new largest air drones (41:48) buying drones for war (44:36) drones as cruise missiles (45:41) outro