Harnessing looping pedals, percussion and vocal manipulation, Tune-Yards make a very big sound for a core membership of two people. It's been ten years since the experimental pop project released their third album Nikki Nack and creepy hit Water Fountain. Songwriter and singer Merrill Garbus is on The Music Show to talk about the duo's complex rhythms, vocal athleticism, and how to play with words. What does it take to start your own record label in this economy? Andrew Ford chats to two people who did just this—Coco Eke was involved in the early days of First Nations label Bad Apples and pianist and composer Nat Bartsch's new label Amica focuses on 'kind' music. We find out what exactly a record label does, why they still have a role in the age of streaming, and what success can look like for an independent artist. Nat Bartsch launches her new album Forever Changed on Saturday 16 November. Tune-Yards' 10th anniversary Deluxe Edition of Nikki Nack is out now via 4AD/Remote Control Records. And you can find more information about the Bush Music Fund here. Music in the program: Title: Heart Attack Composer: Merrill Garbus Artist: Tune-Yards Album: I Can Feel You Creep Into My Private Life Label: 4AD 0052 Title: Water Fountain Composer: Merrill Garbus, Nate Brenner Artist: Tune-Yards Album: Nikki Nack Label: 4AD CAD3414CD Title: Water Fountain (Live) Composer: Merrill Garbus, Nate Brenner, arranged by Kristopher Fulton Artist: Vancouver Youth Choir Title: Bizness Composer: Merrill Garbus, Nate Brenner Artist: Tune-Yards Album: w h o k i l l Label: 4AD CAD3106 Title: Hey Life Composer: Merrill Garbus, Nate Brenner Artist: Tune-Yards Album: Nikki Nack Label: 4AD CAD3414CD Title: Powa Composer: Merrill Garbus Artist: Tune-Yards Album: w h o k i l l Label: 4AD CAD3106 Title: hypnotized Composer: Merrill Garbus, Nate Brenner Artist: Tune-Yards Album: sketchy. Label: 4AD 4AD0309 Title: Hope (for orchestra) Composer: Nat Bartsch Artist: Budapest Art Orchestra, conducted by Peter Pejtsik Album: (Single) Label: Amica AMI006 Title: Na​-​kalamandjarda Composer: Rona Lawrence and Jodie Kell Artist: Ripple Effect Band Album: (Single) Label: Independent  The Music Show is made on Gadigal, Gundungurra, Turrbal and Yuggera Country Technical production by Russell Stapleton and Bethany Stewart