Technological innovation is now one of the most consequential realms of geopolitical contestation. And in the era of big tech, the private sector has assumed power that once resided with governments. In response, we’ve seen a reassertion of industry policy, with governments trying to re-establish control.  What happens to Australia’s national security when private companies, such as TikTok, are in the geopolitical driver’s seat?   And how can policymakers keep up with this ever-changing industry?  In this episode of the National Security Podcast, Bec Shrimpton from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, joins Katherine Mansted in conversation to explore the rapidly changing landscape of big tech.  Bec Shrimpton is the Director, Defence Strategy and National Security at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. Katherine Mansted is a Senior Fellow at the ANU National Security College, and the Executive Director, Cyber Intelligence at CyberCX Show notes:   National Intelligence Community and National Security College Scholarship for Women: find out more   This episode was first published on Thursday, March 30, 2023. We’d love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to [email protected]. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.