How is ‘stabilisation’ of the Australia-China relationship being viewed in Brussels, and other European capitals?  How could Australia and Europe better work together to limit China’s global influence?    And what lessons can Canberra learn from Brussels' approach to economic security – particularly with regard to electric vehicles?  In this episode, Janka Oertel joins Rory Medcalf to discuss how Europe is approaching the ‘China challenge’.    Dr Janka Oertel is Director of the Asia Programme and a Senior Policy Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.    Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism, and academia. Show notes   ANU National Security College academic programs: find out moreTrust and trade-offs: How to manage Europe’s green technology dependence on China by Alexander Lipke, Janka Oertel, and Daniel O’SullivanSecurity recall: The risk of Chinese electric vehicles in Europe by Janka Oertel  We’d love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to [email protected]. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts.   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.