How can public policy better reflect the humanity and vulnerability of citizens?  How can government leaders remain mindful of individuals within broader systems, and how does this approach improve public policy outcomes?  How can governments foster ethical leadership and accountability while balancing political pressures and systemic challenges?    In this episode, Mark Crosweller and Margaret Moreton join David Andrews to discuss compassion, ethical leadership, resilience, and the tensions between individuals and institutions in the national security space.     Dr Mark Crosweller AFSM is a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC) and Director of Ethical Intelligence Pty Ltd.   Dr Margaret Moreton is Executive Director at the Australian Institute for Disaster Resilience.   David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC.     Show notes:    ANU academic programs – find out more  Mark’s book -  Compassion in Disaster Management: The Essential Ethic of Relational Leadership IPCC – The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change     We’d love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to [email protected]. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.