In a conversation on The New Stack Makers podcast co-hosted by Alex Williams, TNS founder and publisher, and Charles Humble, an industry expert who served as a software engineer, architect and CTO and now podcaster, author and consultant at Conissaunce Ltd., discussed why software developers and engineers should care about their impact on climate change. Humble emphasized that building software sustainably starts with better operations, leading to cost savings and improved security. He cited past successes in combating environmental issues like acid rain and the ozone hole through international agreements and emissions reduction strategies.