In this episode ask whether our current crop leaders are hopeless? Lots of talking in circles as usual but surprisingly, we end with a quite decent (in our humble opinion) definition of leadership. Being good evidence based practitioners, we are seeking feedback from our audience on our podcasts. So please tell us all the things we are doing well as well as pandering to your innate drive to criticise the work of others. We may listen and adjust or we may just continue to be ourselves and do things our own way, dammit.