Andrew Heard has a new book out, Growth and Change. Over the coming weeks we'll be posting conversations that Jo and Scott had with Andrew about the book and its background on the Reach Australia Podcast (our longform podcast). In this episode of The One Thing, Jo and Scott reflect on their conversation with Andrew. Here are some of the things that they loved: He works through these struggles biblically and practically He doesn’t rush to the pragmatics, rather focuses on how the hearts of church leaders need to be in the same place as God’s heart This then flows into everything - principles of ministry, focus, pragmatics He challenges ‘what is it we are focusing on?’ - more clarity and directs our energy into the right things. He challenges the desire in our world to want to measure - why numbers matter, how to use them to assess ministry. TOOL BOX: Watch for the 4 Episodes with Andrew Heard on the Reach Australia Podcast (usually comes out on Wednesdays) ‘Growth and Change’ by Andrew Heard Reach Australia Ministry Framework ebook CREDITS: The One Thing is brought to you by Reach Australia. For ideas or questions please email [email protected] To support the Reach Australia Online Library head here.