“Pain is the price we pay for usability.”- Rick Warren To kick off season two of the Passion and Purpose Podcast, Pastor Rick Warren joins Pastor Louie Giglio to recount God’s faithfulness in some of the highest and lowest moments in his life. Pastor Rick Warren is the founding pastor of Saddleback Church and best-selling author of The Purpose Driven Life, The Purpose Driven Church, and many other books. Together, they have a conversation around a wide array of topics, such as the call to ministry, visibility, humility, and deep grief. This conversation is so strong it had to be split into two episodes. Listen to part one now!