In this ep, we talk to Sammy Lee about the importance of rising to a challenge—whether that’s overcoming being ‘vertically challenged’ at just 5"3, facing supporters after a loss, or the difficulty of winning the European Cup in the era of straight knockouts. Lee is a big believer in letting kids do the work. Of parents needing to let go a bit and let the coach, coach. The importance of facing failure in the face- whether as a player or a coach, and what you can learn at the pub from a die-hard armchair supporter. It’s a ripper of an episode with one of the greats. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.