In this episode, Andrew and Scott speak with Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security from 2005 to 2009. Secretary Chertoff is now senior counsel at Covington & Burling LLP and Chairman of the Chertoff Group, a cybersecurity consultancy. He shares his views on the post-Covid world, including how changed patterns of work may place new demands on infrastructure and cybersecurity. We also discuss disaster preparedness, election security, and countering disinformation. Reading Notes: When do we dial back the coronavirus red alert? Michael Chertoff writes that the costs of an extended lock down are real and substantial, and fall disproportionately on less privileged members of our society. Will your 2020 vote actually get counted? Michael Chertoff argues that election security is a national challenge, and not one that a single spending bill can fix.