Wes Telyea is the founder of the Snoqualmie Rod Company, which specializes in two-handed spey casting rods. He's also a former senior pastor and a current part-time pastor. Wes and Tony discuss building handmade fly rods, the small of a woman's back, churches that need to change or die, having a bamboo dealer, kids who make noise in church, being an accidental evangelical, the rush of catching a steelhead, and much more.