On this episode of The SAF Podcast we shake the format up as Al is joined by Mukul Hariharan, United Airlines Ventures and Robert Birdsey, Green Front Energy. If you've ever pondered the financial gears that turn behind the scenes of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) projects, look no further. Tackling the intricacies of renewable fuel supply chains and the hurdles of scaling up from small-scale to large-scale projects, our guests offer a pragmatic lens through which to view the renewable energy sector. They share the need for strategic planning and flexibility to cater to diverse markets, and they dissect the evolving relationship between project financiers and the dynamic renewable fuels market.  The conversation then pivots to the nuanced art of renewable energy procurement for corporates, underscoring the balance between policy, market certainty, and technology de-risking. Their insights paint a vivid picture of the patience and strategic thinking needed to navigate the current policy and market conditions impacting renewable fuel infrastructure financing. Our episode wraps with sage advice for those making their foray into the renewable energy industry. For tech companies, it's about staying grounded in scientific rigor and capital efficiency. For project developers, the key lies in starting with proven concepts and integrating newer technologies as they mature.  If you enjoyed this conversation catch our previous episode with Jim Lockheed, JetBlue Ventures: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14019163 SAF Investor London This conference serves as a nexus for innovators, customers, financiers, regulators, suppliers, and advisors, forging partnerships that will drive change. SAF Investor London 2024 isn't a conference for debating the merits of SAF; it's about convening the dealmakers who can effect real transformation. Join over 200 leaders in the SAF Industry for two days of stimulating debates, discussions and plenty of networking. You can find out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London here: https://www.safinvestor.com/ Host: Al Whyte, SAF Investor Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor