In this episode, Stacey is joined by Scott DeBow, principal of health, safety, and environmental at Avetta, a provider of supply chain risk management software.  Stacey and Scott discuss:  * The difficulties safety professionals face when we try to invite workers to do something different. When we do this, we often face resistance.  * How change is a key ingredient in a company’s safety culture.  * Scott’s book, “Safety Management Systems in a Joint-Employer Environment.”  Be sure to get Scott’s book: https://store.assp.org/PersonifyEbusiness/Store/Product-Details/productId/250100120 Thanks to Scott DeBow for being on our podcast!  Sospes was built to allow employees to connect in safer, more productive workplaces. Learn more about Sospes: https://sospes.com/  Connect with Sospes: * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sospes/  * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SospesInc  * Twitter: https://twitter.com/sospesinc  Subscribe to the podcast:  * Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3rTi6rQ  * Spotify: https://spoti.fi/33muFSS  Subscribe to the Sospes YouTube channel (where we also post podcasts): https://www.youtube.com/@sospes3913/videos  Connect with Stacey Godbold on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stacey-godbold-57057313/  This episode was produced by Story On Media & Marketing: https://www.successwithstories.com.